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Na*********:
Hello! I really love this channel and I really appreciate the work of knowledge spreading that you people do. So I wanted to add my humble opinion (as a permaculture and natural agriculture learner) about the arguments that you used in this video. I think this is a very complex topic and this video was way too short and limited. I don't want to make a scientific essay here about the topic, it's just a simplistic opinion comment based on the information, books, articles and experience that I accumulated on the study of Agriculture, in order to expand a bit the view about it. (Sorry for my English orthography and grammar mistakes :):
1. "They're ensuring that soil gets enough fertilizers and nutrients" That exactly one of the main problems about food production nowadays and that's why even big industry is going back to ecological and natural processes based' fertilization. It's not the same that you put 20 grams of pure Nitrogen in the soil than letting agents of nature get 20 grams of nitrogen from the atmosphere, because in this natural way there is a huge number of parallel processes taking place and producing secondary products that goes to different metabolic ways all around the plant and inside the plant. This vision of agriculture was a big failure of glorifying the little knowledge of chemistry that we had one hundred years ago, that saw agriculture as "making a soup", you just add those ingredients and then you have a beautiful vegetable soup. But nature doesn't work like that, and has been proven that this vision took our soil to decay dramatically, all the microfauna disappeared with it, plants are more vulnerable to plagues and natural elements (wind, water flows, etc), also the soil's capacity of holding water falls, etc etc etc .
In the "Wicked Problems" theory (Rittel & Webber) expose that a big thing to keep in mind when we face nature problems is that any solution to a "wicked problem" will bring unexpected consequences, so we should stay in the "heuristics of fear" (If applying some new tech or knowledge can bring negative consequences better let keep going further in the study before applying it).
2. This could sound conspiracy, but unfortunately science is lot of times pollute by market and money interest. Agriculture and Cattle Raising are two of the biggest industries in this planet, and so they are very pollute by money interest, which blocks the advance of learning in the field. Is not like I'm saying that there is a big powerfull head making horrible plans about what you can learn or not, my point of view is that this big head is more ignorant or trapped in the established system than evil, it's more that people fall into believing and maintaining the habits of humans that thought them how to do agriculture, because it's a hard thing to change the way of thinking and to accept that a lot of knowledge that you already learned is wrong. Also we fall in the "lock in" effect, so it's hard to change a system that is so implemented already.
3. That plants are big and look green and healthy don't necessary means that they're productive and healthy. Sometimes this actually comes because human fertilizers produce that the plant spends more energy on growing leafs than it needs, and so metabolism gets altered. Fukuoka demonstrated, with his natural agriculture system, that his plants of rice which had smaller leafs than big convencional agriculture producers' rice plants, were, however, much more efficient in rice production, using absolutely no external products no tilling, no machinery, and relying on crops rotation, compost, etc...
4. About selective breeding, I'm agree. Also with GMO there is the problem that we look to improve one side of the plant but we don't realize that this will change the other side. Is like when psychiatrist thought that to solve depression you just take off this part of the brain without realizing that you are probably affecting hundreds of other functions from the brain
5. Cattle Rising I would say is the biggest problem of food industry. Let say it more clear; Meat is a problem. I'm not vegan and it's not a preferences discussion. It's obvious and proven that cattle rising (in the way we do it nowadays, due to the tremendous demand) is one of the biggest problems we have both for the environment and for humankind (if we can even separate those two).
I don't want to make a scientific essay here, so as a resume; you take 10 thousand cows, put them in a little room, they don't develop right, they get weak, they don't develop their muscles and systems, they get sick, you give them antibiotics, they produce metan, they feel fear and depression (which has been proven that they do feel it), viruses mutate (hello A-flu, Influenza, and probably Covid-19), and well in conclusion you have a very sad, poorly nutritious, medicated and polluting peace of meat that if you eat everyday will increase your chance to suffer various kinds of cancer and heart diseases.
6. Also there is a problem about fertilizers, plaguicides, fungicides, and the infinite list of products that farmers think they need for some strange reason that I still don't understand as a natural farmer learner. They not only destroys the ecosystem around, but also most of times contains substances that are not digestible both for human body and animal os plants bodies, and so they accumulate and produce various diseases.
7. About the CO2 factor, that's something I had no idea about, and I think it's really interesting. Just want point, plants need CO2 to develop but that doesn't mean that they are able to consume and infinite quantity of it as sometimes I heard. It can cause overdose in the same way that water can cause hyperhidratation and can even kill you.
Another wonderful example is Allan Savory in Africa who has learned how to properly manage cattle and literally turn desert back into carbon sequestering grassland. The major difference being that if cattle are loose stock to an unmanaged they will destroy the land and turn it into desert but if they are mob stock rotationally grazed they will turn desert back into grassland.
They're also happens to be quite a few other factors in the nutrient reduction of our food that you failed to mention. A couple examples of which are: The chemical chelation effect of glyphosate. The systemic destruction of the soil life (bacteria and fungi) which is necessary for plants to be able to digest the minerals trapped in double and triple bonds in the sand, silt, clay and rocks from which all plants have gotten their nutrients since plants came into existence. Especially the mycorrhizal fungal networks that are destroyed by tillage.
I wonder if you know that both humans and plants are essentially incapable of digesting their own food and rely upon bacteria and fungi to break down their food into forms that the bodies of the plants and humans can use.
Playtime Comments : [Veritasium] Is Our Food Becoming Less Nutritious?
Be************:
4:16 I'm starting to think that all documentaries from that time period were voiced by the same guy.
su***:
6:14 .. looks yummy! What's that dish?
No***:
When you have been stressed out for the whole day and you`re finally home to enjoy your favorite music: 2:58
Ro***:
His background music is exceptional..., especially in 3:23, can i please know the music that was in there?? i would really appreciate that :)
Ha********:
I honestly have to say great video but the wiggle edit thing you've done may keep my eyes focused in one spot but it's very noticeable with a mostly static background. @6:40 you can really tell. Either that or someone mayyyyyy be holding the camera but I don't think so.
But again! thank you for the amazing information you have and now that I have internet again I am going to rent your vitamania documentary because it is a very important subject and I'd love to support you! keep making these awesome videos good sir!
All barley, wheat,rice and most crops belong in that group. The thing about these plants is that they are doing farly well with a decent amount of sun and enough water. But now higher CO2 levels forces these plants to absorb more water cause CO2 absorbtion and water circulation in plants is directly correlated, which means : our crops are going to grow faster in future but they are less nutritious and need way more water and climate chnage usually generates more drier weather.
Source:
Loladze, I. (2014). Hidden shift of the ionomeof plants exposed to elevated CO2depletes minerals at the base of human nutrition. eLife. 3: e02245.
Myers, S.S., et al., (2014). Increasing CO2threatens human nutrition. Nature. 510: 139-142.
Top Comments : [Veritasium] Is Our Food Becoming Less Nutritious?
Pa**************:
Mushrooms do produce a lot of proteins. So fungi and fermented food might be an adequate solution to get the necessary nutrition supplements in the future.
Ei*******:
has there ever been a reverse study to the one done in japan? i.e. growing crops in a low CO2 density to see if the nutritional values became more concentrated?
Gy*******:
I don't know, man... I have some food in my fridge for more than a month now, and they don't seem to be too bad. Some of them even grew fur! And that cheese is on a different place every day, i think it's planning an escape... My food is better than ever before!
Second sentence: „a study in 2004 ...“
This is how I like my YouTube.
Un*********:
Maybe if we start calling it "food change" instead of "climate change" more people would worry?
Go********:
There is a pretty big question left u clear here: The nutrition per gram is decreasing but what about the nutrition per square metre of land? per litre of water? per month of growth?
The plants grow differently now so these values might very well change in different ways. You said the plants are bigger now, which could cancel out the decrease in nutritional density when considering the yield of an acre of land?
me**********:
Seems like food is being grown for size & taste not nutrition - remember: "Nutritious Before Delicious"
Ja**:
Prah-duce.
Br***********:
Do farmers really add in all the nutrients or do they mostly just add nitrogen, phosphorous, and potassium?
ni*******:
Pro-duce>Praw-duce
sw**************:
It just so comes that I love this channel
I never get disappointed watching his videos
Me********:
I find it a fascinating thought that we have recently been breeding crops for size, speed, and the ability to fight off pests and pesticides, but not for nutrition. In the 1970s this wasn't so, I myself used to work in a Unilever lab where we tested plants to check their nutrient levels in the fruit trees that we were breeding. I can't speak for now though.
Da********:
Next Video: Will cannibalisation solve this problem?
Vsauce here
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qn**:
When you say it's not available in France and Germany, I know immediately it'll be on ARTE! Prochaine diffusion le mardi 25 septembre à 20h50 sur ARTE
el******:
"We’re still getting big plants, and they wouldn’t grow that well if they weren’t getting the nutrients they need" Not true. You get large leafy plants by adding nitrogen, farmers do that in spades to increase yields. But nutritional content comes from micronutrients, and farmers have been depleting those for 60 years. It’s a similar dilution mechanism to the one described for CO2. Adding climate change into the mix would exacerbate the problem. In short, it doesn’t have to be one or the other.
Pe**********:
From what I've seen, soil regenerative practices increase plant and animal nutrients considerably.
This is a hugely important argument as to why we should be working to reduce the carbon in our atmosphere. And you know what that means: It's tree-planting time.
I watched Catalyst last week and they were showing hydroponic farming specifically tomatoes and I don't eat supermarket tomatoes any more because they taste terrible. The flavour is one dimensional and the hearts are almost woody.
The exception is a relative grows tomatoes in her garden and they taste spectacular, so it's not CO2 because hers breathe the same atmosphere.
Same with bananas, they have no flavour and yet they are a hybrid and so should be consistent over time.
CO2 BTW is definitely a factor in some food changes, Yams in Africa now produce dangerous levels of cyanide and Apricots are increasing their cyanide levels. They also reckon that by 2050 you won't be able to make traditional bread without additives because of low protein levels.
Loved Vitamania BTW.
Tl****:
Prawdoos??? Enuciation jokes aside, this is a very interesting video topic.
Cy********************:
My dad worked on the Alaska railroad many years ago. And he talked about the food up there. He said that they had to bring food in, because the food grown up there, do to the fact that the sun doesn't set, grew too fast and had no nutrition. He said they'd get strawberrys the size of tea-cups, but that people would starve eating them. Perhaps the same thing that was happening up there at that time is also part of what's happening to crops elsewhere. Theyr'e growing too fast. And they're picked too green. And don't have time to develop the nutrition that they should.
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